Forlorn Hope
The Attic => General World of Warcraft Discussion => Topic started by: Magorian on 23 March 2008, 09:41:10 pm
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Ok I post a lot of crap here, and most of it gets ignored which is not normally a problem but in this case I want everyone to read this who is part of KoM of cares about it's future.
As i'm sure you have noticed of late, our numbers are down....way down in fact so much so that we are struggling to do 5 man groups, let alone raiding and so it becomes my task as guild leader to do something about it. I don't want anyone to worry we will not be closing KoM and all are still welcome regardless of previous games/criminal records but we're looking for a change to keep things moving forward.
Now there are a few choices open to us which I'd like everyone to have a think about and let me know here, my decision will be based on what everyone wants to do. So the two big choices are to either
A, Go spaz like with getting in new people, which we've tried before and we mostly got PVP PuG's and such like with a few exceptions :D
B,(My favourite) Either create or join a new guild in which we will raid with our high level/main characters and have KoM used as a levelling/alt/casual player base. Doing this will allow us to (if we can find the guilds) increase our numbers quite dramatically
C, Something i've not thought of
Let me know what you think, we'll do what we can to keep everyone happy
Thanks once again guys
Mags
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Hmm, speaking from experience, random recruiting leads to a lot of idiots.... for example, thats how we ended up with mags :P
The second idea is reasonable and feasible I think, it will give immediate prevention to loosing the good, decent players (and Mags) to a soulless raid guild, and will enable progression for those who wish it.
I can't give the time for raiding atm, most of you know my current situation, so until i can, i will remain in Knights and help any newbies, and mags :P
better that than everyone moving their own path, and loosing touch. The Knights can also be a good screening board for new candidates for the raid guild, theres 70 levels to find out what theyre like ;)
Unfortunately theres already a guild on Shadowsong called The Forlorn Hope tho.
So I propose ' we beat mags with something heavy'
:P
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you may find that forlorn hope on SS is run by one of our lot (normally skar does that)
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Got a mate in there, apparently not :/
Where you been hiding? you soft southern knuckleshuffler? :P
Anyway, apologies for hijacking the thread :P
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Yeh well on a related note to this, we're gonna be having a group event with another guild for kara on Thursday, this is mainly to see if we can get on with this other guild and what kind of people they are and from that, decide where to go next. They arevery similar to us in terms of how their guild is run so it'll be basically a KoM run with new peeps :D
Anyone interested needs to mail me in game before wednesday evening, we'll be starting at 20.00 server time (ludicrously early I know :D). As I said this is no concrete plan, we're just trying things out
BTW i'm liking the name we beat mags with something heavy :D, it appeals to my ego to have my name in the guild title :P
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Well I'm all for some inter-guild raiding. I've only had pretty abysmal experiences when it comes to guild recruiting. Most people are immature and undergeared pvpers. There's certainly nice people out there looking for guilds but remember that we're fighting for their interest together with guilds that can offer KZ/ZA/25-man raiding. Except for a good laugh, we don't have much to offer atm. Finding nice people that are willing to do long-term investments for the guild is probably not going to be easy.
I'll be here on thursday.
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A change is necessary I agree.
But before we go down the radical solution route I just want to understand what's being proposed here.
I think we are likley to agree that "going spaz", as Mags puts it, is the wrong option. However it is also clear that the way we have been doing it in the past has not completely worked. (Although I would argue that it has mostly worked).
First off can we not get into a discussion about the name of any new guild. Sorry to be abrubt about it but, at the moment, that's a distraction.
Let's keep this thread to the main theme of what to do with KOM.
So Mags you are suggesting we either make a smaller "Hard core" guild which brings together the heavy weights of the old and new world. Or we join a more successful guild and raid with them.
My first question is this - which officers are left? We used to have 10 that shaped the future of the guild. Where are the desision makers are they still here? If so, we should have a Team Speak conversation about this.
Mark
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Im Still here :D - But only on the forums atm.
My game account has expired :( and i dont have time at the moment to re activate it let alone play!!!
I'm sure i will be back at some point probably towards the end of the year, for those who dont know i am expecting a baby Herc pretty soon so i have lots of re decorating todo and gold gathering too.
But i would like to see KoM still here when i start playing again.
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Ok gimme a sec i'll import the list
Warriors-Drebnor
Mages- Keyana/Minnea
Rogues-Zelaza
Warlocks- Fellon
Hunter- Jarlene
Priests- Night
Paladins- Haegar/Hercule
Druids- Evil Bob
Shammies- None
Now of that list, really it's only me and zel who play regularly enough to raid based on the last few weeks performances.
We shall see how things go on thursday, I hope that we can kep our guilds seperate and get together for raids but we would still need more people, since the more people you have available, the larger say you will have in what is done.
There was also a third option which I only thought of last night. I can step down as leader of KoM and we get someone new in, maybe over the years my enthusiasm for recruitment etc has gone and having someone new in could breathe some life back in to what we are doing. I don't see myself above anyone and i'm willing to do anything anything to help the guild.
I just don't want people leaving on us, which although it's not my fault doesn't not mean that I can't take responsibility for it happening, more backup/regular players got at the right time may of helped us.
Well thats my head on the chopping block too :D
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Count me in for Thursday. To be honest I have been about, but probably like many others I log on, see who's about, realise its only me and log off, or level a lower character.
Recruiting may help, but we need to be a bit less "diplomatic" when it comes to kicking people out who don't make it and it needs more structure than it has had at points in the past. If someones an idiot, kick them, they can drive people away if they hang around too long.
If all the active members join another guild then you're in danger of KOM basically being an alt guild (someone had to say it). Forming a second guild is feasible, but you still need to recruit to get up to raiding numbers from where you are now- so you have to address the same recruitment problems.
Anyone asked those that jumped ship why they did, was it all just about numbers?
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The important thing is, we decide who is going to make the desision then we make it.
At the moment I see myself, Ash, Zel and yourself Mags who I know of.
Being one of the culprits who spends only a little time in KOM now I don't know who else it might be.
Are Tord and Henrik still in the group? I don't know if Marcus is an Officer but I do see him a lot.
Mark
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I dont think you stepping down as leader would make a difference tbh, when forming KoM, it was all about casualness, and yes, i do remember, i was part of it, step down if you wish, and some other could take over, but there are few left who remember KoM back then, and how it was, so I would be concerned about it to a degree.
Given that you liked the new guild name, i think now i prefer 'zel is fine, and doesnt smell bad like the fatass druid' :P
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I don't think the solution is you stepping down mags, If you promise not to blame me if they're cretins I can have a go at recruiting: "fun loving guild wlt meet more players for Kara, Gruul and maybe more - must like cake and beer...and short people...and abusing our beloved guild leader..."
I could have fun with this!
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I had already given my view to Ben on whether he should step down on facebook. I am happy to see that others feel the same as I do that there is no pressure on him to do so. In fact I would go so far as to say I think that would be a backward step.
I have given this some thought now and I think we should give serious thought to how to manage this going forward. I agree with Ben (Mags) that KOM should think about splitting. I think we have found with Most Wanted that a few committed players can acheive a whole lot more than a larger bunch of people with less interest in each other.
This is only my view but I would be more committed to Kara runs if I knew I was running it with the same bunch of players every time. Especially if that group has played together for a long time. I think that group would be more committed and, like Most Wanted, I think it would be more fun.
If we needed more people - getting PUGs has never been a problem.
A fresh start would totally energise the players and sharing is far higher (and more rewarding) amongst fewer players.
What do people think?
(PS I am assuming that anyone who participates on this forum gets a tickets to wherever we go!)
Mark
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A big thanks to all who came out on our trip to Kara last night, we were able to run 2 groups with a (Kinda :D) mix of KoM and hysteria in both i.e. Sand in on group and the rest of us in the other.
It went really well for those who care, Attumen, Moroes, Maiden (Without a single pally I might add), Opera(Big Bad Wolf), Curator and wait for it.....NIGHTBANE :D thats right we killed the last boss since we didn't have time to get through to the shade. Very happy with the performance raid wise, so i'm hoping this will stay like this for a while before they make a decision. But yeah big thanks for turning up, makes a world of difference for me
cheers
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Well done guys. Sorry i missed it. keep up the good work.
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Yeah, that was great fun and I'm very glad to feel that some things are happening within the guild.
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Yes, I'm still around.
I only left with Haegar and Henrik only left with Eppo, we still hold ranks with 14 toons between the two of us.
The reason I joined <Unnamed> is because I missed out on a lot of progress and endgame content pre-TBC and would like to expiriance some of it.
The reason why KoM degregated from mid-january was, I think, a series of small events. Some people got swamped at work, another went on vacation, some found it more fun spending time in <Most wanted> and a missunderstanding during raidinvite, all this in a short period of time that stretched out to week and finally where we are now.
This isn't the end of KoM, I remember when I was online "alone" most nights in KoM, the only other member online was a druid raiding BWL or something fun like it (and sometimes a rogue who never grouped :P). That druid and I took over the lead of the guild from an abscent Imlor, who was going to disband it, and then gradually made it work again.
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Please see http://forum.forlorn-hope.org/index.php?topic=710.0 (http://forum.forlorn-hope.org/index.php?topic=710.0)
about previous posts that were slightly off tangent.
I am also happy to be leader of KOM, however i dont believe leadership is the problem as such.
the problem is we have all these people complaining that KOM doesnt do this and KOM doesnt do that. My answer to YOU is : Do something about it then.
If you are whinging that we do not raid enough and people are not around enough then go and organise, you dont have to be a leader for this, myself, Cosmo, Haegar, Drebnor to name but a few have all had hands in organising as we are not hardcore gamers we do not spend all our lives at a computer so we need more than one person to organise.
When i organised Kara day i emailed, posted, in game mailed and called everybody to make sure people knew about it and that is what is needed is somebody to organise people.
but i am fed up of people constantly complaining, this is a bloody game and you should play it to enjoy it, if you want to go off and raid all the hig end content then either :
help with the organising and recruitment
or goto another guild - which is what people are having todo so they can play the high end content.
I myself am not that fussed as to whether i am raiding, instancing or leveling another character, i just like playing with most of you guys when i get time.
i stay in this guild because i like most of you and enjoy playing not just so i can go raiding.
KOM was never going to be a hardcore raiding guild, we are just a bunch of semi - local gamers i like each others company.
Granted i have no problem if i am needed to raid or whatever, but i am not going to drop my life just to play a game, I would not expect that of any of you.
end rant - you seem to have caught me on a good day :P
ash / Herc
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Nice to see your moods improved then Herc. You opinions quite clear on the rest of us.
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Well since you are all waiting for me to comment, I guess I should. I feel Herc made some truly enlightening points for some guildies both old and new if the encounter problems, some feel a need to talk and throw around ideas, some expect other to do all the hard work and leave to make things easier for themselves, and some actually get up and do stuff, i'm very much in the first category and I know very well (having been in the position i'm in for a long time) that ultimately Guild leader or not I cannot do a thing about other players.
I can tell you for certain that all great guilds out there have a loyal harcore group which keeps them together, not 1 person, but a bunch of regulars who make the guild a nice place to play and be in and that's what keeps people, interaction with others, seeing lots of people having fun. To demonstrate quite how this has gone for us I think i'll list the regular KoM base we had when we started raiding
Drebnor
Herc
Fellon
Honny
Nightingale
Keyana
Zel
Minnea
Smisk
Myself
This has changed and we;ve had some good additions but look at that regular base of solid players! All of them (Zel is away on holiday and thus excluded) have found more important things to do elsewhere, which I don't hold against any of them despite rants this is a game and I feel it should be played to be enjoyed but I think we lost a lot of core players all at once.
Cause does not cover consequences, I say with wrath coming up, we try to keep who we have and build up 10 players ready for it, i've been talking with a few guilds (even me the self proclaimed lazy guild leader has chatted with about 7 different guilds!) to discuss some sort of joint raiding pre Wrath.
All in all i'm doing what I can to keep those we have, if the general consesus feel I don't put enough in to it, i'll step down, happily, lets have someone else give it a go, but it doesn't solve the problem
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Just a plea ..
If we do have any conversations about these apparently imotive subjects can we keep it polite.
Without being too obtuse and pointing out e-mails I have noticed that some of the inserts into conversations recently have been slightly more aggressive than what we're used to.
I've just had a conversation with somebody else who shares my view that some people are crossing the line here. If you are angry, please calm down before you post.
Mark
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Im sorry i dont see anything "un polite" here.
just expressing an opinion.
Sandmann i know you and others to participate in organising etc and i dont think i have ever heard you complain and not do anything about it.
my rant was just aimed at the people who like complaining and not do anything but leave or bring moral down.
no offense was intended hell i actually like you guys.
sorry i used the word "hell" is that not polite :P ----- please note that this was a joke and not to be taken seriously :D
I can see windguard is taking a great active role etc.
so as my final note, for anyone i have offended and upset please raise your hand and i will send you a personalised apology ( which i am sure Ice can tell you im not very good at either but its the thought that counts right)
my intent was not to offend but to share how i am feeling as i believe we are a sharing caring guild and like talking to each other.
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Nice to see your moods improved then Herc. You opinions quite clear on the rest of us.
i dont understand, i thought i had wrote i like playing with you guys. or are you saying my opinions on the rest of you is i like you?
i suggest we wait until the guild meet on the 26th to discuss such things over beer. beer is always good :D
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Nice to see your moods improved then Herc. You opinions quite clear on the rest of us.
i dont understand, i thought i had wrote i like playing with you guys. or are you saying my opinions on the rest of you is i like you?
i suggest we wait until the guild meet on the 26th to discuss such things over beer. beer is always good :D
As long as you don't drink enough to hit that maudlin streak ;D
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I will have you know, i drink very responsibly these days, now that im going to be a father, and ice tells me too :P
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ok here is my positive post.
Can the following people please come back to KoM
Sandmann
Eppo / and most of his alts
Tord and his band
honny - if not already
Jw - if not already
Palladinftw
neo
Groggen
Fellon
Hairyman ( cant remember if he is still with us )
Ropadop ( if not already )
ok now add the following people who are still in the guild.
Zelaza
Herc
Ice
Magorian
Maapex
Jarlene / Gortak
Brodski / Windguard
Skarlet
Flyagaric
Cosmokid
Paul
Avalyana
not sure if prederman is still with us.
now stop me if im wrong thats is 23 fairly regular players.
that should be at least 2 karazan teams or a gruul run with pugs or recruitment.
we can make this work, we just need some input from people, now i understand we cant make every raid day etc, but i think we need to start the raid diaries etc.
now i dont want any whinging about how we are organising etc, what i would prefer is for you to suggest a better way and try and make it work.
at the very least we should be getting a kara team and a heroic team going and cycle through who gets to do what.
lets all get back to they way we were having fun and doing whatever is available to us with the numbers we have.
thanks
Ash
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Now to prevent any backlash i may get for not remembering people etc, i dont have a list of guildies infront of me. Just because they are not on the list does not mean that they are not to be included.
Spread the word cause a fuss.
Arise Knights of Mercia - Make this guild your own if you want to do end game content then join your fellow guildies and we will all help where we can with no prejudice or selfish feelings such as " i have already been there a thousand times i hava all the gear i want from there"
WE are all brothers and sisters lets help each other and all be merry
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Ash
This is how you organise this guild.
The Guild Leader - deals with difficult players, conflicts, manages the bank and promotions. They also have the final say in general stuff.
The raid organiser arranges the raids - For Kara 7 players are from the regular pot 2 from the newbie pot. With a bit of flex for getting the right mix. Everybody supplies either a mobile number to text or an e-mail or a face book account. The raid organiser. Who woorks closely with the Raid leader. They contact people outside of the game a gather support. We do not use GEM or in-game mechanics or this forum. This is likley to be one of our more social players like Marcus or Jon.
The raid leader leads the actual raid(s) and is responsible for tactics. This person is likely to come from our most experienced players. Mags/Tord/Henrik etc. They also nudge pkayers on how to iimprove and help newbies.
Guild recruiter - somebody who trys to recruit. Especially to try and recruit from people who have left. We invite them as PUGS on our raids for example. This should be a player who has been araound a while and it should rotate 3 monthly amongst players.
Guild fun guy - who organises unusual events such as Naxramus, farming days, PVP days etc and there should be 1 a month
There should be Kara weeks and weekends once every 6 weeks. Where we blitz and just rotate players to keep going.
We build a database of characters and skills and encourage sharing amongst players especially to level and use skills.
We should have 50's and 60's nights for lower level instancing but you get to 50 using your own networks.
I hope this is useful.
Mark
Take contact details
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anyone disagree with that?
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Not picking holes, just gonna clarify where a few people are
Sandmann - Who knows? I haven't talked to Debs as of yet but I hope we can get past what made her leave
Eppo / and most of his alts- Are still in guild but he raids with unnamed
Tord and his band - Same as Eppo
honny - Is in Guild but does not play as much
Jw - Ditto for honny
Palladinftw - Left to raid, simply becuase we were not
neo- These days,stays in a guilds about as long as you can hold water in your hands!
Groggen-Not seen him on
Fellon - Same as Tord and Henrick
Hairyman - Left to join shadowknights so he can raid
Ropadop - Is back
I would also add aruthas who went with Hairyman, and if we are going to people who should come back I could give you a nice long list, smisk, elior, Drebnor, Minnea, Zephyr etc.
people who are still in the guild.
Zelaza- On holiday/working
Herc- Doesn't play as much
Ice - Ditto though she get's a lot of playtime at lunch!
Magorian- Handsome guy
Maapex- Just restarted playing, is also playing age of conan
Jarlene / Gortak - Horde commitments agonst other things
Skarlet - has never raided with us?
Flyagaric - Dissapeared, no idea
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Hi there,
A few points of clarification (if I got it correct :D).
-Henrik and I are still active (only Haegar, Eppo and Cohr in <Unnamed>).
-Predermann/Shamown has recently joined <Teddybears of doom>
-Fellon is very unlikely to rejoin us but he might join a raid occationally (He's rarely playing unless there is a raid schedueled atm).
-Groggen plays Conan and with his old guild that goes back to 1999 on a PvP server.
-Ropadop/Jocker is unlikely to leave <Unnamed> but I'm sure he's positive to raid woth the knights.
-At last but not least Sliceboy (Smisk) might become active again.
I'm up for some raids/heroics/just about anything with either of my characters if I'm not commited elsewhere, and since <Unnamed> is taking Karazhan off the raidschedual I'm likely to go with any character needed to fill a slot (although I'd like to go with any who actually can need anything in there).
Cheers
/Tord
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I here your call for the return, and and going to consider. But I feel that we have to put on a serious raid schedual though. As in, regualr weekly Kara runs with the odd Grull run. I am enjoying my time in Shadowknights but it is not as expected. They are a good guild, but I'm not getting used quite as regularly as hoped.
As for Adz (Neo), he is changing guild a lot but is staying with the same people. He is progressing really well. Progressing through MH at the moment, I think they have downed the first boss or so which is quite good. But back to topic, he won't be returning any time soon, if at all.
Am unsure about Hairyman and Dan, they seem to be enjoying their time in Shadowknights (Yes, out of all the raiding guids ont he server, I managed to end up in the same guild as them :P) and get used qutie frequently.
But yea, I will consider the offer to return and I will also help with the rebuilding if you need it.
- James
Also, I would like to add that I will make PvP days as suggested by Mark in a former post if you would like, being one of the more experienced (not to be big headed or anything) PvPers within the community, I would be up for this challenge. Maybe a bit of open world Horde whoring mixed with a little bit of AV/WSG pre-made would be an idea. ;) But yea, think about it. :)
EDIT: I could also have another crack at attempting one of the older raid instances if you like, won't be Naxx though, it has been removed for mods for WoTLK as me and Adz found out a few weeks ago on one of our farming trips to Strat. We want those horsies damn it!!!! xD Maybe some Blackrock Spire or some Molten Core could be done. Would be great to see Ony's head on a spire in SW aswell. :P Seen it in Org but not SW.
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Palladinftw - it would be great to see you on Spinebreaker more James. Your a natural for PVP and we really enjoy your comapny.
Re the guild organisation/re-organisation - I'd also like to add to my suggestion above that people should have deputies so if they are not going to be online for a few days/weeks - somebody else takes over. A deputy guild leader would take tremendous pressure of Mags also. It's not completely fair that he is expected to do everything.
Regarding the leadership - can I point out that, as yet, nobody except Ash has said they want to do it.
Does anybody want any of the roles I have suggested or have an opinion?
Tord - Your a veteren of the guild - would you be interested in being Raid leader or Guild leader for instance.
Mark
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Palladinftw - it would be great to see you on Spinebreaker more James. Your a natural for PVP and we really enjoy your comapny.
Re the guild organisation/re-organisation - I'd also like to add to my suggestion above that people should have deputies so if they are not going to be online for a few days/weeks - somebody else takes over. A deputy guild leader would take tremendous pressure of Mags also. It's not completely fair that he is expected to do everything.
Regarding the leadership - can I point out that, as yet, nobody except Ash has said they want to do it.
Does anybody want any of the roles I have suggested or have an opinion?
Tord - Your a veteren of the guild - would you be interested in being Raid leader or Guild leader for instance.
Mark
I didn’t think were looking for a new leader, are we? And I don’t think we need a change in leadership at this point, especially if we’re devolving responsibility for event organisation to various other people (I will not use the word “empower” even though it’s probably fairly meaningful in this context ;) ) lets give Mags our support.
And now my view on The Way Forward ™.
I think we can work with having a number of events organisers, each with their pet projects provided that they are prepared to work together.
For instance I’m happy to carry on running round like an overexcited puppy drumming up people for the heroic tour, at the same time we should have a raid organiser who:
1) knows the people in the guild pretty well
2) Knows the requirements for the various raids
And that rules me out; I just don’t have the experience. I am however willing to do any donkeywork to help the raid organiser out (in game mailings etc)
We also need someone to be the raid leader, but- in keeping with the casual, relaxed and fun nature of the guild (I will not use the word “shambolic” … ;) )
The raid leader does not necessarily have to be the same person for each raid, different people have different commitments and different interests.
IMHO we must have at least one group going for each raid day (Sunday, Monday and Friday as I understand it) whether this is a Heroic Tour group, a raid or even a battleground premade.
A recruitment officer would be an idea, but I think that recruitment should be everyone’s responsibility, also I think we should focus on getting a regular raid/ group schedule going before we go a recruitment binge- which in turn will help recruitment and retention.
A guild fun guy is a must, and I think that Mark has volunteered himself for this, whether he knows it or not…
Right that’s my piece said for now. So, who wants to organise the first Kara run?
We’ve easily got the numbers for that if we can just organise and motivate attendance.
Oh and remember, next stop on the heroic tour is Shadow labs on Monday, join ussss….
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Meanas will stay on KOM if no one has an objection.
Sandmann is currently in Sparks of The Phoenix and will stay there for now. Considering some of you are RL mates I though I would benefit from a bit of distance for a while until some of the differences of opinion have been resolved. I have no interest in leading, never have and never will. But I have said before I will always give a hand with organisation, or anything that helps out in general. That will not change. I'll be up for teaming and making up the numbers - if you need me. Given the amount of players willing to give this a go I'm pretty sure it won't be often.
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Hey!
Sorry for not being here recently. I've been away most of the summer and have spent the last two weeks in Belgium (which I think I wrote in another thread, or at least told to some ppl in-game). I will be gone the next 3 weeks as well but then I should be back and ready for action (if there is any). I think it's definately time to get stuff together as WotLK is coming soon and it would feel great to have 10-15 active players by then. Though the more the merrier since it will be easier to organise dungeons etc.
I'm not one who'd like to lead a guild as I can't be arsed to log in often enough. But I'm happy to organise and lead stuff (heroics, kara...) if I'm just online and we have enough numbers. Problem is just that my attendance will never be 100% as I have promised myself to always give RL priority. But if we have set dates and times I can generally be there.
It's easy to strangle a guild. Once a few leaves there will be less activity in the guild which means more boredom, which leads to more ppl leaving etc. It's a viscious spiral and all guilds eventually gets caught in it. Getting out of it and clawing your way back to where you were is a lot harder and requires a lot of work. Organising stuff is fruitless if we don't have the numbers. On the other hand, recruiting is difficult if we can't offer organisation. I can't put in the amount of work nessecary to build something atm (since I'm not here) and even after that I don't know. But I'm happy to lend a helping hand whenever I'm online and I'd be thrilled to start raiding again once the summer is over. Even wiping on moroes is a lot more fun than idling in Shattrah!
As for raiding days and times that's up for discussion. It used to be sunday, monday, thursday. I'm personally usually drinking beer friday + saturday so that will always be tricky for me.
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Hey Fly,
Where are you gallivanting off to now and how big is your suitcase? ;D
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/yawn
mornin :) bit bleary eyed atm so excuse me (no mags, nothing to do with duncan :P)
not playing at the moment cos lifes managed to get in the way a bit (yes mags, duncan :P)
ill be back at the end of august, but will not be around every night. i'll try and have at least one night which is predictable, the others more random in the beginming.
NL was a cool move, but my wow life suffered for it!
hope your all doing fine n dandyy, sandman... give kankuro and angelsakura a poke from me (they mainly know reiver) and live about 30 mins away :)
if the surrey lot can poke hodhr and hug cuthbrt for me, would be appreciated.
......and if everyone could slap/bite/insult mags for me.. aah hangon, ill do that one myself :P
have fun guys
Zeph
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I would like to bump up to this topic during my return to KoM this week i have discussed a option with mags of which i intend to help out n drag some life back to the great KoM once again!
so far today i have made improvements of 3 level 80's to 21. 6 of which are alts given, but this gives us a variety. for one days work im determined to get life back into this guild. the people that have joined are all good personality wise and hopefully we will be 10'ing soon!
as for 25'ing inspections will be done and there is a plan for this and after a meeting tonight i will be presenting the a nice deal hopefully if not i still got some cards up my hand.
so far more members, big cleanout, big cheerup its looking for for Day1 people
i hope that some of the original level 80's would be interested in joining by all means, please do message me in game by /w or post or anyone to get back in :)
enforced a new rule, no alts below level 30 and no more than three alts per main please. thankyou
EDIT: New Vent now for KoM host: hydrogen.typefrag.com Port: 11046 PW: kom14